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Leo Babauta on Zen Habits

Leo-BabautaLeo Babauta is a guy I have long known, admired and liked. He’s been a guest on this podcast twice over the years, and these interviews are some of the most popular here on the Great Work Podcast. He’s the author of Zen Habits: Mastering the Art of Change, and speaks and writes extensively about clearing the clutter so we can focus on what’s important.

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In this interview, Leo and I discuss:

  • The myths and misconceptions around change, and why to-do lists don’t work.
  • Why triggers and sequences can be so powerful to behavioural change.
  • How mindfulness can transform your interactions with difficult people.
  • Why letting go of expectations can have a powerful impact on your life.

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Interview Highlights

0:01:54: Leo offers up a quick overview of his new book, Zen Habits: Mastering the Art of Change, noting that it stemmed from his own life lessons from dealing with stress, frustration and procrastination. In the book, he shares tips and techniques designed to break habits and patterns, and make change in your life.

0:05:04: Michael and Leo discuss the root cause of resisting change, and why we give into temptation. Leo outlines some of the myths and misconceptions we have about habits, and why it can be so difficult to change our behaviours.

0:10:00: Michael mentions BJ Fogg’s concept of anchors, and Leo points out that when the anchor we are using to try to embed a new habit has a variable element, it can be difficult to change. We must anchor our actions to routine.

0:11:30: The two talk about being mindful about changing habits can go well beyond exercising more, and can help you deal with difficult people and situations.

0:15:00: Leo explains how letting go of expectations and ideals of perfection can be liberating, and reduce frustration. Together they explore how flexibility, compassion and forgiveness are needed throughout the transformation process.

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